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		<title>Comment on When UNgodliness is next to godliness&#8230; by Gary Spear</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! I enjoyed this post. I&#039;ve been thinking through Genesis again recently also. I&#039;ve been stuck on the &#039;knowledge&#039; part of the equation of good and evil. It&#039;s interesting to me from the accoutability standpoint.

When adam and eve ate of the tree, it was their first recorded act of sin or selfishness, which is the root of sin. But I can&#039;t imagine that they&#039;d never had a selfish (sinful) thought or attitude or maybe even action before that point. I think they were normal people and not perfect, little robots so I assume they&#039;d acted selfishly at some point in their existence before the Tree. But they weren&#039;t held responsible for the selfishness because they didn&#039;t have knowledge of good and evil.

The fall to me is staggering because knowledge of good and evil entered the picture and therefore made them accountable for their thoughts and actions. Until then, they weren&#039;t responsible. We understand this in children; many call it the age of accountability, which is when we assume children become old enough to be responsible for selfish choices. So I see the acquiring of this knowledge of good and evil as adam and eve&#039;s coming into the age of accountability.

I&#039;m not sure all of this is worth dwelling on or pondering for long but it surely is interesting! You should consider writing a blog post on why they were suddenly embarassed to be naked in front of God, who had seen them naked always. I think it&#039;s not about nakedness being sinful but rather about with the knowledge of good and evil came the ability and urge to compare ourselves to others and to other situations. And we&#039;ve been living by comparing ourselves to people ever since. Now there&#039;s a real curse!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I enjoyed this post. I&#8217;ve been thinking through Genesis again recently also. I&#8217;ve been stuck on the &#8216;knowledge&#8217; part of the equation of good and evil. It&#8217;s interesting to me from the accoutability standpoint.</p>
<p>When adam and eve ate of the tree, it was their first recorded act of sin or selfishness, which is the root of sin. But I can&#8217;t imagine that they&#8217;d never had a selfish (sinful) thought or attitude or maybe even action before that point. I think they were normal people and not perfect, little robots so I assume they&#8217;d acted selfishly at some point in their existence before the Tree. But they weren&#8217;t held responsible for the selfishness because they didn&#8217;t have knowledge of good and evil.</p>
<p>The fall to me is staggering because knowledge of good and evil entered the picture and therefore made them accountable for their thoughts and actions. Until then, they weren&#8217;t responsible. We understand this in children; many call it the age of accountability, which is when we assume children become old enough to be responsible for selfish choices. So I see the acquiring of this knowledge of good and evil as adam and eve&#8217;s coming into the age of accountability.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure all of this is worth dwelling on or pondering for long but it surely is interesting! You should consider writing a blog post on why they were suddenly embarassed to be naked in front of God, who had seen them naked always. I think it&#8217;s not about nakedness being sinful but rather about with the knowledge of good and evil came the ability and urge to compare ourselves to others and to other situations. And we&#8217;ve been living by comparing ourselves to people ever since. Now there&#8217;s a real curse!</p>
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		<title>Comment on When UNgodliness is next to godliness&#8230; by youtobest</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gread :lol:</description>
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		<title>Comment on When UNgodliness is next to godliness&#8230; by Topics about Religion &#187; When UNgodliness is next to godliness…</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topics about Religion &#187; When UNgodliness is next to godliness…</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Original Thoughts? by pastortimb</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a great question! I think the answer is found within the question itself. Jesus does not expect us or want us to be thoughtless automotons. He gave us the ability to reason and to disagree and then asked us to listen to Him and trust Him. He does not want us to be &quot;religious,&quot; He wants us to enter into a trust relationship with Him. What kind of relationship is it if the other party has no choice? We have the choice. What I am saying in this post is that we should choose to trust that the creator knows what is best for us. I do so because I have reasoned out that other ways do not work. The philosophies I mentioned cannot be followed to their logical conclusions. I am talking about thinking not being a robot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great question! I think the answer is found within the question itself. Jesus does not expect us or want us to be thoughtless automotons. He gave us the ability to reason and to disagree and then asked us to listen to Him and trust Him. He does not want us to be &#8220;religious,&#8221; He wants us to enter into a trust relationship with Him. What kind of relationship is it if the other party has no choice? We have the choice. What I am saying in this post is that we should choose to trust that the creator knows what is best for us. I do so because I have reasoned out that other ways do not work. The philosophies I mentioned cannot be followed to their logical conclusions. I am talking about thinking not being a robot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Original Thoughts? by mad4mba</title>
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		<dc:creator>mad4mba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting read. I personally do not agree with your views, but i like the way you have articulated your thoughts. 

I am not particularly religious but in god i do trust. So, just one question. If I was supposed to only do all things that are prescribed as right according to scripture, acting merely as an automaton, why did he who made me give me the gift of mind, an ability to reason and a right to disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read. I personally do not agree with your views, but i like the way you have articulated your thoughts. </p>
<p>I am not particularly religious but in god i do trust. So, just one question. If I was supposed to only do all things that are prescribed as right according to scripture, acting merely as an automaton, why did he who made me give me the gift of mind, an ability to reason and a right to disagree?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Original Thoughts? by pastortimb</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Sorry it has taken me a while to respond. As for my religion keeping me from finding myself, I have two responses. Firstly, I hate religion and do not care what religion has to say. Secondly, I would say that Jesus is the only one who can help me find out who I am. He created me. He know who I am. He know what makes me tick. He does not try to force me into some little box. I don&#039;t have to be a robot. I just believe that He knows the things that will kill my soul and tells me to avoid those things. I can find myself faster within His boundaries than I can running around making the same mistakes that have proven destructive to others. In my observation, the things Jesus tells me to avoid have already been proven to be destructive in other people&#039;s lives. Maybe, He knows what He is talking about...

 Running around making the same mistakes that other people have already made and expecting different results is not finding ourselves. There are a million new and creative mistakes I can make and learn from but to refuse to learn from the mistakes of others and avoid them is the opposite of wisdom. This idea that even though I see thousands and thousands of people who have tried these things and rejected them as painful and dangerous, I have to try it for myself, is pride. I can&#039;t find one adult who wishes they started smoking earlier. Instead I see thousands dying because they had to learn for themselves and no one was going to tell them what to do... No one wishes they had taken more drugs, they wish they never started.

As for the second question, about whether I have faith in humanity that they can eventually learn what is right by trying everything else, nothing in this blog implied that they can&#039;t What I am asking is why do it the hard way. I believe that people will eventually realize that Jesus is right. What I am talking about is avoiding the pain and scars of finding out by ignoring the wisdom of the ages. I am truly concerned about your statement about whether God would want me to love those who are doing these things to themselves. Why do you equate a different opinion with a lack of love? I don&#039;t feel like you hate me because you disagree with me. Love is not agreeing. Love is doing what you can to help someone. By asking young people to evaluate a philosophy that cannot work, I am asking them to avoid throwing away years of their live and having to live with years of regret. If I see a truck coming, should I just stand by and say, &quot;they will learn&quot;? I am expressing an opinion. You are free to accept it or reject it. I will love and care about you which ever road you take. I just want to spare you and others the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Sorry it has taken me a while to respond. As for my religion keeping me from finding myself, I have two responses. Firstly, I hate religion and do not care what religion has to say. Secondly, I would say that Jesus is the only one who can help me find out who I am. He created me. He know who I am. He know what makes me tick. He does not try to force me into some little box. I don&#8217;t have to be a robot. I just believe that He knows the things that will kill my soul and tells me to avoid those things. I can find myself faster within His boundaries than I can running around making the same mistakes that have proven destructive to others. In my observation, the things Jesus tells me to avoid have already been proven to be destructive in other people&#8217;s lives. Maybe, He knows what He is talking about&#8230;</p>
<p> Running around making the same mistakes that other people have already made and expecting different results is not finding ourselves. There are a million new and creative mistakes I can make and learn from but to refuse to learn from the mistakes of others and avoid them is the opposite of wisdom. This idea that even though I see thousands and thousands of people who have tried these things and rejected them as painful and dangerous, I have to try it for myself, is pride. I can&#8217;t find one adult who wishes they started smoking earlier. Instead I see thousands dying because they had to learn for themselves and no one was going to tell them what to do&#8230; No one wishes they had taken more drugs, they wish they never started.</p>
<p>As for the second question, about whether I have faith in humanity that they can eventually learn what is right by trying everything else, nothing in this blog implied that they can&#8217;t What I am asking is why do it the hard way. I believe that people will eventually realize that Jesus is right. What I am talking about is avoiding the pain and scars of finding out by ignoring the wisdom of the ages. I am truly concerned about your statement about whether God would want me to love those who are doing these things to themselves. Why do you equate a different opinion with a lack of love? I don&#8217;t feel like you hate me because you disagree with me. Love is not agreeing. Love is doing what you can to help someone. By asking young people to evaluate a philosophy that cannot work, I am asking them to avoid throwing away years of their live and having to live with years of regret. If I see a truck coming, should I just stand by and say, &#8220;they will learn&#8221;? I am expressing an opinion. You are free to accept it or reject it. I will love and care about you which ever road you take. I just want to spare you and others the pain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Original Thoughts? by Maribeth Ladage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maribeth Ladage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to hear from you again. Yes, the &quot;die to self&quot; thing can really be a challenge at times, but it is the only way to live.  Forever learning this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to hear from you again. Yes, the &#8220;die to self&#8221; thing can really be a challenge at times, but it is the only way to live.  Forever learning this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Original Thoughts? by E-diggity</title>
		<link>http://pastortimb.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/original-thoughts/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>E-diggity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can only do what I feel is right&quot; &quot;I have to be me&quot;  These are statements one makes on the path to finding oneself. Are you saying your religion keeps you from finding yourself? Do you rely on God to tell you who you are, and not do any investigations or experiences on your own?  I understand that we all can&#039;t run around being savages and taking/doing as we please at the expense of others, however, do you not acknowledge that rites-of-passage must be utilized to become well-rounded, productive-to-society adults?  Yes, not every being will be a productive part of society, but should these rites be taken away because of those failures. Futhermore, is society not responsible, in any part, for these failures?

You cite adventures of the 60s generation and stake claim that they &quot;realized&quot;  they needed to lay off the hallucinogens and become responsible. Do you not think that free-willed individuals of today&#039;s culture are capable of making their own realizations about themselves and their responsibilities in today&#039;s society. Must the youth of today be ingrained with certain responsibility, faith, and morals that are chosen for them? Are adults not allowed to change their responsibilities, faith, morals etc. Is it truly wrong to be true to oneself? Is it safe to say you do not place faith in your fellow man to be true to himself-society-or his higher power, and that you rely on your higher power to keep the peace? Would not a higher-power want you to love, honor, cherish your fellow man for who he is, despite his faults? (Faults that he probably stumbled across on his journey of self-discovering--wherein he probably discovered many qualities and characteristics that made him who his is today, still being true to himself.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can only do what I feel is right&#8221; &#8220;I have to be me&#8221;  These are statements one makes on the path to finding oneself. Are you saying your religion keeps you from finding yourself? Do you rely on God to tell you who you are, and not do any investigations or experiences on your own?  I understand that we all can&#8217;t run around being savages and taking/doing as we please at the expense of others, however, do you not acknowledge that rites-of-passage must be utilized to become well-rounded, productive-to-society adults?  Yes, not every being will be a productive part of society, but should these rites be taken away because of those failures. Futhermore, is society not responsible, in any part, for these failures?</p>
<p>You cite adventures of the 60s generation and stake claim that they &#8220;realized&#8221;  they needed to lay off the hallucinogens and become responsible. Do you not think that free-willed individuals of today&#8217;s culture are capable of making their own realizations about themselves and their responsibilities in today&#8217;s society. Must the youth of today be ingrained with certain responsibility, faith, and morals that are chosen for them? Are adults not allowed to change their responsibilities, faith, morals etc. Is it truly wrong to be true to oneself? Is it safe to say you do not place faith in your fellow man to be true to himself-society-or his higher power, and that you rely on your higher power to keep the peace? Would not a higher-power want you to love, honor, cherish your fellow man for who he is, despite his faults? (Faults that he probably stumbled across on his journey of self-discovering&#8211;wherein he probably discovered many qualities and characteristics that made him who his is today, still being true to himself.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Original Thoughts? by Casi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really needed to hear this..(ok well read it ha ha)I have been having all sorts of mixed emotions and FEELINGS about things in my life... but no matter what happens I keep hearing God say, be faithful...this just reminds me that it&#039;s not about how I FEEL about the situation at all.. it also reminds me of a sermon you gave at Lakeview about actions... you used the example.. if you don&#039;t &quot;feel&quot; like you love your spouse anymore... ACT like you do.. and the feelings will follow... Thanks for sharing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really needed to hear this..(ok well read it ha ha)I have been having all sorts of mixed emotions and FEELINGS about things in my life&#8230; but no matter what happens I keep hearing God say, be faithful&#8230;this just reminds me that it&#8217;s not about how I FEEL about the situation at all.. it also reminds me of a sermon you gave at Lakeview about actions&#8230; you used the example.. if you don&#8217;t &#8220;feel&#8221; like you love your spouse anymore&#8230; ACT like you do.. and the feelings will follow&#8230; Thanks for sharing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tail of Two Dogs by Casi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so I just got around to reading this right now and it made me cry....first of all because I love animals. I never had heard the story of Luna. I knew you had her but not how she came to be part of the family. It does speak volumes tho...which is another reason for the tears! Thanks for sharing. Real life experiences are always the best to learn from!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I just got around to reading this right now and it made me cry&#8230;.first of all because I love animals. I never had heard the story of Luna. I knew you had her but not how she came to be part of the family. It does speak volumes tho&#8230;which is another reason for the tears! Thanks for sharing. Real life experiences are always the best to learn from!!</p>
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